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#1 Steve Gholson

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Posted 17 March 2003 - 11:58 AM

Hello everyone,

I have watched with keen interest the debate that continues on most
of the forums about the Minelab SD series of detectors vs. the GP
Extreme and thought the data enclosed might be of some interest.
While in Western Australia in 2001, Chris G. and myself joined up with
a group of prospectors and spent some wonderful time out bush looking
for the yellow metal and enjoying the company of some colorful characters.
Each evening everyone would gather and weigh the gold that was
found that day by each prospector and listen to all the wild tales of how
good we all were at detecting. As you can imagine, there were lots of
laughs and plenty of embellished stories regarding hole sizes, hole depth,
faint whispers, etc. etc...

While the data is not scientific, it is a true representation of the actual
finds out on the goldfields. To my knowledge, there was no other machine
being used other than the SD2100,SD2200 and the GP Extreme. All prospectors
were hunting the same area’s and spending approximately the same amount
of time each day out in the field. I would estimate that each prospector
spent a minimum of six hours detecting each day for ten solid days.
If we consider that there were 31 operators, the total man hours spent in
the field would equal 1,860 hours (31 X 6 X 10 = 1,860 ). This data was
generated from those 1,860 hours on the goldfields.

There are at least two important variables that were not gathered at that
time which would have an impact on the final data. Unfortunately the
coil information (size & type) could not be accurately recorded as some
operators were switching back and forth depending upon the conditions.
Also, the experience of each operator was hard to judge and subjective
in nature.

I have presented the data in one form but you can take the numbers and
generate lots of things to look at. This information is presented here only
to give you some more “ammo” that you can use in your debates regardless
of which type of machine you prefer.

-Steve Gholson


Total number of prospectors = 31 100% (percentage of total)
GP Extreme users =10 32% (percentage of GP Extremes)
SD 2200 users =13 42% (percentage of SD2200’s)
SD 2100 users =8 26% (percentage of SD2100’s)

Total number of days prospecting = 10
Total amount of gold found = 815.9 grams, ( 26.2322 Troy ounces).
Total number of nuggets found = 394

Average weight per nugget = 2.0708 grams, (all machines, 815.9/394).
Average wt. per nugget, GP Ext. = 2.3156 grams
Average wt. per nugget, SD2200 = 1.818 grams
Average wt. per nugget, SD2100 = 2.0284 grams

Average weight of gold per day = 81.59 grams (all machines, 815.9/10)
Avg. wt. of gold per day, GP Ext. = 37.05 grams
Avg. wt. of gold per day, SD2200 = 25.27 grams
Avg. wt. of gold per day, SD2100 = 19.27

Avg. number of nuggets per day = 39.4 (all machines, 394/10).
Avg. # of nuggets per day, GP Ext.= 16
Avg. # of nuggets per day, SD2200= 13.9
Avg. # of nuggets per day, SD2100= 9.5

Total amount of nuggets found = 394 (all machines).
Total amt. of nuggets found GP Ext= 160 ( 40.61% of all nuggets found)
Total amt. of nuggets found SD2200= 139 (35.28% of all nuggets found)
Total amt. of nuggets found SD2100= 95 ( 24.11% of all nuggets found)

Total amount of gold found = 815.9 grams (all machines).
Total amt. of gold found, GP Ext. = 370.5 grams (45.41% of all gold found)
Total amt. of gold found, SD2200 = 252.7 grams (30.97% of all gold found)
Total amt. of gold found, SD2100 =192.7 grams (23.62% of all gold found)


Total weight of gold and quantity of nuggets per day, (all machines).

DAY, Weight (grams), Quantity of nuggets
1, 55.4, 45
2, 68.7, 44
3, 111.6, 67
4, 60.7, 34
5, 4.3, 5
6, 53.7, 27
7, 79.5, 40
8, 167.4, 50
9, 80.9, 33
10, 133.7, 49
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Total 815.9(grams), 394(quantity)

Total weight of gold per day for each machine.

Day, (Grams per machine)- SD2100, SD2200, GP Ext.
1, 4.5, 36, 14.9
2, .8, 22.1, 45.8
3, 42.6, 26.2, 42.8
4, 17.6, 18.9, 24.2
5, 0, .2, 4.1
6, 21.9, 11.5, 20.3
7, 9.6, 17.5, 52.4
8, 19.1, 19.5, 128.8
9, 19.7, 53.9, 7.3
10, 56.9, 46.9, 29.9
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Total 192.7 (2100), 252.7(2200), 370.5(GP)

Total quantity of nuggets found per day for each machine
Day, (Quantity of nuggets)- SD2100, SD2200, GP Ext.
1, 6, 25, 14
2, 2, 20, 22
3, 26, 17, 24
4, 8, 10, 16
5, 0, 1, 4
6, 7, 7, 13
7, 8, 9, 23
8, 15, 11, 24
9, 7, 18, 8
10, 16, 21, 12
Total ---------- -------- -----------
95(2100), 139(2200), 160(GP)


Data for each prospector by name

Name, Weight of gold(grams), Quantity of nuggets, Machine type
Steve G., 64.1, 34, GP Ext.
Chris G., 61.8, 35, GP Ext
Bob A., 57.1, 13, GP Ext.
Doug S., 53.9, 15, SD2100
Erik M., 51.9, 24, GP Ext.
Spencer, 50.2, 40, SD2200
Bryan, 37.4, 12, SD2100
Dave A., 36.1, 14, SD2200
Ken D., 34.1, 16, SD2200
Tony, 32.5, 24, SD2200
John F., 32, 12, GP Ext.
Peter, 29.9, 3, SD2200
Hermann, 28.8, 24, GP Ext.
Graeme, 28.7, 7, GP Ext.
Peter P, 28.2, 14, SD2100
Phil B., 25.6, 6, GP Ext.
Mary P., 21.6, 12, SD2200
Alan, 21, 10, SD2100
Orlando, 20.5, 16, SD2100
Graeme P., 18.6, 18, SD2100
Bruce, 18.5, 2, GP Ext.
David E., 16.2, 11, SD2200
Charlie, 15.7, 10, SD2200
John A., 10.8, 4, SD2200
Peter Dean, 6.6, 3, SD2100
Ray, 6.5, 7, SD2100
Chuck, 4, 3, SD2200
Vic W., 2, 3, GP Ext.
Tom T., 1.6, 2, SD2200
John M., 0, 0, SD2200
Kim, 0, 0, SD2200
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Total = 815.9(grams), 394(quantity)

Top five weight producers and their machine type

Steve G. 64.1 (grams) GP Extreme
Chris G. 61.8 GP Extreme
Bob A. 57.1 GP Extreme
Doug S. 53.9 SD2100
Erik M. 51.9 GP Extreme

Top six nuggets producers and their machine type

Spencer 40 (nuggets) SD2200
Chris G. 35 GP Ext.
Steve G. 34 GP Ext.
Erik M. 24 GP Ext.
Hermann 24 GP Ext.
Tony 24 SD2200

Top two weight producers for each machine

Steve G. 64.1 (grams) GP Extreme
Chris G. 61.8 GP Extreme
Doug S. 53.9 SD2100
Spencer 50.2 SD2200
Bryan 37.4 SD2100
Dave A. 36.1 SD2200

Top two nugget (quantity) producers for each machine

Spencer 40 SD2200
Chris G. 35 GP Extreme
Steve G. 34 GP Extreme
Tony 24 SD2200
Graeme P. 18 SD2100
Orlando 16 SD2100

Top five best day total weight results by any machine

128.8 (grams) GP Extreme
56.9 SD2100
53.9 SD2200
52.4 GP Extreme
46.9 SD2200

Top five best day total nugget (quantity) results by any machine

26 (nuggets) SD2100
25 SD2200
24 GP Extreme
24 GP Extreme
23 GP Extreme


Partial summary;

Total gold found = 815.9 grams
Total number of prospectors = 31
Average gold per prospector = 26.32

It would be expected that an average or above average prospector should find
at least 26.32 grams. The following analysis is based on any person with any machine that found at least 26.32 grams of gold. Out of the 31 prospectors that were detecting, 15 of them found at least 26.32 grams of gold. The total amount of gold found by these 15 prospectors was 626.7 grams which represents 76.81% of the total gold found by all of the prospectors. This means that approximately 50% of the prospectors found about 77% of the total gold found within the group. By using 26.32 grams of gold as our reference, the data below should be a better representation of how each type of machine preformed. Generally speaking, the new or inexperienced operators should be eliminated from the final data.

Summary

Total prospectors above 26.32 grams = GP Extreme, SD2200, SD2100
7 out of 10, 5 out of 13, 3 out of 8
70%, 38.46%, 37.5%
Total gold found 324.4 grams, 182.8, 119.5
Average gold per machine 46.34 grams, 36.56, 39.83
Total quantity of nuggets 149, 97, 41
Average quantity of nuggets 21.29, 19.4, 13.67
Average weight of nugget 2.177 grams, 1.884, 2.915

#2 Potholes Bob-NM

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Posted 17 March 2003 - 12:33 PM

Really enjoyed your detailed and informative post Steve,thank's for a major effort!

Regards...Bob

#3 Jonathan Porter

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Posted 17 March 2003 - 02:18 PM

Hi Steve,

Interesting numbers, would it be possible to come up with an average percentage of the GP compared to the rest and then call that the performance gain over all the others? As I am a realist I feel this would be being unfair, because there are so many variables. Still (as I see it) the overall trend is very much in the favour of the GP extreme.

One thing to consider is the more experienced operators should have been using GP's, although going by some of the names I recognise I see that at least two are using SD2100's, which is interesting. Another thing to point out is the SD2100 produced more sizeable gold (going by the average weight per numbers); could this be because of a lack of sensitivity to the smaller gold? If an operator doesn't get anything in an area that is producing lots of smalls they will generally gravitate away, there by increasing the chances of larger gold. You only listen for what the detector tells you.

I have experienced this plenty of times when Frieda and I used to use the VLF machines. I used a Whites Goldmaster Vsat and Frieda the XT17000, I would always without exception find the most numbers of gold and she, much to my frustration would find equivalent or better weights. The Whites had incredible sensitivity to small gold but didn't punch deep in heavy mineralisation; the XT on the other hand handled mineralisation very well. Different shovels for different holes I suppose.

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Posted 17 March 2003 - 03:38 PM

That is an excellent report and just the kind of "hands on" tests that are needed IMO.

I'm sure many will say there are still too many variables that will make the results skewed this way or that...but I think part of the strength of a test like this is it gives a good idea of "average" results from a cross section of user styles,experience levels,coils used,etc.

In statistics there is a somewhat agreed upon number that they use when doing sampling techniques and that number is generally 30. Any less than 30 samples and you have to allow for larger levels of error in the results. One good thing about this test is that there was a good sized sample of users and machines used.

I would imagine the patience levels,experience, and swing styles of the users in the tests was a good broad mix which would...in my opinion make for a good general idea of what you can expect to attain with the detectors.


The fact that this test was done over many days in different areas gives the results even more validity in my opinion. This wasn't just a simple one hour or one day test in one area over one set of conditions. I imagine the conditions varied quite significantly in places.


I'd like to see more of these kinds of tests actually, maybe with a few VLF machines like the MXT,XT18000, Eureka Gold,X5,GMT,Goldbug 2,Tesoro LST and a few PI machines like the Infinium and Goldquest SS thrown into the mix. It would be nice to see how the other machines stack up to the Minelab heavyweights.

We would then see just what kind of perfomance gains to expect when users move up from VLF machines up to the PI machines...just what would the increase be in terms of nuggets found and total weight of nuggets.

A person could then put some type of "value" on what the step up from a VLF to a PI machine is worth.
For example...if a person is a casual user you can get an idea of what the break-even point would be in terms of how many hours per year you would need to spend swinging a detector to make the choice of a GP Extreme over a Eureka Gold a wise choice.

I would imagine the results in general would show more small nuggets found by the VLF's but more total weight by the PI's...but until more field use tests such as this one
are done..all we have is speculation.


Thanks again for sharing the results with us all, they are very interesting.

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Posted 17 March 2003 - 11:27 PM

A lot of interesting information in the tests.

I was just doing a few calculations from the results of the 10 days.

Just out of curiosity I figured out the "wages" that you could expect to earn by detecting with a SD2100/2200/GPExtreme...


Total ounces of gold found was: 815.9 grams/31.1 grams per troy ounce =26.23 troy ounces

Total Man-hours spent detecting = 10 days X 31 users X 6 hours per day =1860 hours

Wages "earned" per hour spent detecting = (26.23 ounces X 337 US$ current spot gold price) / 1860 hours = $4.75 US$ per hour

4.75 US$ = 8.00$ AUS = 4.46 $EURO =7.03 $CDN = 8.65 $NZ =3.03 $GBP


I just thought it would be amusing to see what kind of "wages" a person could average nugget detecting in reasonably good nugget producing ground over a significant amount of time.

This gives a person somewhat of an idea of just how long it might take to pay off of that new Minelab SD2200 or GP EXtreme unsure.gif

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Posted 18 March 2003 - 07:37 PM

Hey Darren,

Is that before or after taxes? biggrin.gif

It's apparent that you are a bit of a mathematical whiz yourself. I can hardly wait to see what you and Steve will be cooking up for us in the future - great post!!!

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